Elizabeth Talbot – Countess of Shrewsbury (1531 – February 13, 1608)
Now, this is outside my normal comfort zone. In fact this post should be rated “U” for Unreliable. As “Bess” of Hardwick‘s birth date is unknown, Luke Aaron was wondering if I could use the death chart to prove who her parents might be, presuming that they are not the ones that have been suggested in history over time.
Luke is sure that Bess might be Elizabeth I’s “hidden” sister, since she was born before Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn were allowed to marry. Illegitimate or not, she may have therefore been the rightful heir to the English throne. That is pure speculation on his part.
This time we do not get a link-up of the North and South Nodes over three charts. In fact, the only significant line up involves Bess’ ‘fatal’ Venus/Saturn conjunct with Anne’s Neptune and Henry’s Uranus.
The other line up is Bess’ Mars, with Anne’s Moon and Henry’s Neptune. So, the verdict is: “I doubt it”.
At the same time, Luke speculated that (perhaps) Elizabeth I was not Henry’s daughter, after all. Hmm.
Since I do have Elizabeth I’s birth details, my comparison charts will be of their three birth charts.
This time, Elizabeth’s Jupiter is conjunct Anne’s Moon and Henry’s Neptune (all in her 12th House). No other aspects line up for all three individuals together. So, strange as it might seem, Henry may not have fathered Anne’s daughter Princess Elizabeth (later Queen Elizabeth I). Oh, what a mess. I wish I hadn’t agreed to this experiment.
Because, when we try to revise history (with or without astrology), we come into a situation that cannot be undone: one person became Queen, the other became the richest widow in England.
I know which one I’d rather be, if I were faced with their situations. I cannot say fairer than that.
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Does this mean you can say with high probability that Bess isn’t who I suggested, from her death chart? Or that there is no way to knowing from the death chart alone? As the entire endeavour had never even been suggested as possible until a day or two ago.
Besides — How do you get a birth date for Anne Boleyn? That is pure speculation. I said there wasn’t one. I said use her death date.
I could have told you who Elizabeth’s father was, but you have had enough, clearly.
I know which I’d rather be — Bess, easily. Much of the power and wealth, but none of the threat of assassination, execution if the Armada won, etc. Bess was an amazing person.
The image you used for Bess isn’t Bess, IMHO, it’s Katherine Grey, one of Bess’s closest friends, and the true Queen of England. It’s nice that you featured the true rightful Queen, the lost Queen, even if only without knowing it. That’s usually how things go, sadly.
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I looked up your posts on Instagram, and had an overwhelming feeling of astonishment. You definitely are committed to a Tudor revelation or two.
To say that I’m doubtful that the death chart comparisons really work for proof of paternity would be the essence of my dilemma. I need more research, but on my own terms, not at someone else’s direction. And yes, my birth analysis of Anne Boleyn is pure speculation, but it does ‘prove’ her link to Elizabeth I. However, most of what I know about this reincarnation research is intuition-led. Other people, like Steiner, have shown the way, but their knowledge is based on the Akashic Records, in the main. I was just trying to find the indicators in birth and death charts for those connections. What it has shown me is that we are one another.
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Fair enough. I found you as you are one of the only people who has posted on Jacques de Molay being the reincarnation of Jesus. Why was I googling that? Perhaps my Bacon connection at some level.
Let’s just say: I spent a year very deeply, intensely considering Tudor art and realized some big things were wrong. It began with an experience when seeing for the first time the portrait I subsequently believe to be Anne Boleyn. She said to me, in my mind, “See me, Anne Boleyn.” I also believe there is a big lost-in-plain-sight Jane Grey portrait, and I ended on finding the lost Keke portrait of Shakespeare. The other fifty just happened, and I have a deep personal connection to many of them.
Many thanks for everything and farewell for now.
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