The Worst Kept Secret of an English Royal Birth from 1561
Luke Aaron asked this question yesterday. His reason was the prevalence of vague birth details, especially in the Elizabethan era. It had never occurred to me to try, but that’s why me must keep an open mind about such matters. My rationale? Time is cyclical. What goes around comes around again.
Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester (September 7, 1534* – September 4, 1588)
Now, as I’d noted before, there seems to be no definite proof that Dudley (Sr)’s birth date is as stated.
There is a popular tradition that Robert Dudley was the same age as Elizabeth I; however, in a letter to William Cecil he denotes 24 June as his birthday, and a 1576 portrait miniature by Nicholas Hilliard gives his age as 44, “so 1532 is the most likely year of his birth” (Adams 2008b)
Wikipedia
But the programmers of my Kepler 7.0 astrology program had his birth chart in there already, but with a different date*. They even knew the time of day, and justified it all by stating that they had his Birth Certificate in hand! Here’s the chart:
See what I mean? Two+ years off the ‘estimated’ and perhaps correct birth time. But my reason for showing this one instead of a different one is the position of Venus. If I were to rectify his chart, this would represent the age at which he fathered a son with Elizabeth (in other words, when he got intimate with her). So, who’s to know?
The Experimental Part of This Post
Here is Francis Bacon’s death chart in combination is Elizabeth’s birth chart and this purported birth chart for Robert Dudley:
What do you think? Is it feasible? (And with Dudley’s chart most like wrong, does it warrant any further discussion?) Let me know.
cdsmiller17 
Hi Chris, thanks for these. For my humble input: I believe Robert Dudley to be born 1533 or 1534, not 1532, most possibly 1533, and the story as reported that he and Elizabeth were ‘the same age,’ so within a year of each other, correct. I fear the Hilliard with the date on is of his older brother, Ambrose. So they have adjusted Robert’s age wrongly, from a portrait of his older brother.
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No matter what we think, or how we view these details, the truth might even be stranger. However, the result (as far as I am concerned) is that Dudley is Bacon’s father.
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Thank you. I defer to your knowledge and understanding on this.
Perhaps I should mention the really interesting stuff? (What could be more interesting than a secret son of the Virgin Queen?)
Was ‘Bess of Hardwick’ the first child of Annie Boleyn and Henry VIII?
‘Bess of Hardwick,’ known at the end of her life as Elizabeth Talbot, Dowager Countess of Shrewsbury, went from an utterly obscure birth to being the richest and most powerful woman in England apart from Elizabeth I.
She was one of Elizabeth’s closest lifelong friends. She rose up through four marriages and four widowhoods, with all the major figures in politics and at court seemingly to go out of their way to help her, the reason why cannot be conventionally explained. She looked very much like Elizabeth. Elizabeth famously said of Bess that “There is no lady in this land that I better love and like.” They were closest allies across their lifetimes, and in the end, the two most powerful ladies in the land.
Bess had countless grandchildren, legitimate and illegitimate, and her official heirs, from her second son, are the Dukes of Devonshire, the most politically powerful noble family in England for many centuries.
The theory is that in 1527, when Henry VIII had his sudden mad push to get the Pope to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragon, it was because Anne Boleyn was carrying his first child. It didn’t work, so the child was kept secret. It might even have been under threat of death, She was hidden by Anne Gainsford, Lady Zouche, Anne Boleyn’s closest lady in waiting, who Bess later worked in the house of when young.
Was Elizabeth’s closest lifelong friend and ally her secret older sister? So rather than having no living descendants, did Anne Boleyn and Henry birth the most powerful noble house in England, and countless other descendants?
There is a death time/date/place for Bess, but no birth one. There is a death time/date/place for Anne Boleyn, but no birth one. There is both for Henry VIII.
That is only half of it. Are you able, from the charts of Henry VIII, Anne Boleyn and Elizabeth I to show that Henry was NOT the father of Elizabeth?
That would be the really eye-opening twist. What if Elizabeth Hardwick/Barlow/Cavendish/St Loe/Talbot, her closest friend, ally, advisor and older sister, was the real child of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn, while Elizabeth was illegitimate (in biologically fact, not just in law) just like some, including Mary I, said she was?
The secret history of the Tudors.
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And I yield to your greater knowledge of these matters.
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